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By the time the Mach E arrives, in addition to the Tesla Model Y, there will other competition including the new 2021 Audi Q4 e-tron. With 82 KW battery. AWD and estimated horsepower of 300, range and performance should be right up there with the AWD Mach E.

Price may be $15,000 cheaper at $45,000 plus Federal Tax Credit of $7,500 and any available state tax credits.

I wonder if Ford will have to discount the First Edition MSRP of $60,000 where I have a reservation.

Audi like Tesla is a premium car brand.

see: https://www.yahoo.com/autos/2021-audi-q4-e-tron-165200158.html
 

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The Q4 e-Tron will definitely be a compelling rival to the Mach-E. Two points:

  • The price of the Audi will likely balloon past $50,000 and approach $60,000 once desirable options are added
  • The Audi will ride on the new Volkswagen MEB platform that has been the subject of widespread reports of serious software issues and delays. What is most concerning is that the problems are rooted in the basic platform architecture itself. Not only will the first cars likely be severely delayed because of the technical development issues, but also you definitely do not want to buy the first model year of an apparently troublesome platform. So Q4 e-Tron with the bugs ironed out are still likely 2 or 3 years away at least, and who knows what other appealing new EVs will appear in the marketplace by then.
 

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In a similar vein I too am very, very much concerned about the first year production of the Mach-E.

Just look at the disaster the new Ford Explorer has been: three recalls, poor workmanship and terrible reviews.

But I will be 76 in a few months, and realistically waiting longer to get the "bugs" worked out means I will be 77/78 - really too long to wait.

To protect myself I will lease.

You are correct about the price: the prestige model, with similar equipment to the First Edition is expected to have a MSRP of $55,000.

But I think both Tesla and Audi, whether worth it or not, command a premium over a Ford. So I wonder if the MSRP of over $60,000 for the First Edition is realistic.
 

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By the time the Mach E arrives, in addition to the Tesla Model Y, there will other competition including the new 2021 Audi Q4 e-tron. With 82 KW battery. AWD and estimated horsepower of 300, range and performance should be right up there with the AWD Mach E.

Price may be $15,000 cheaper at $45,000 plus Federal Tax Credit of $7,500 and any available state tax credits.

I wonder if Ford will have to discount the First Edition MSRP of $60,000 where I have a reservation.

Audi like Tesla is a premium car brand.

see: https://www.yahoo.com/autos/2021-audi-q4-e-tron-165200158.html
Yes, The Q4 is an compelling comparison, it is in line with many of the MMe specs.
The estimated base price for the lowest model of the Q4 e-tron “premium” is 45k US. Right in line with the base Mach E. The “premium plus” base is 50k, and the “prestige” base is 55k (which is closer to the First-Edition feature-set).
There is no GT performance equivalent l that i know of.
We have no clue what options will be made available for either, so its hard to do true price-comparisons just yet.

So many new CUV EVs are coming to market in the next two years. Exciting times!

PS - unlike the Tesla model S and X which can be considered premium, the Tesla model 3 and Y are most definitely not. But that’s a debate for a different forum :)
 
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But I think both Tesla and Audi, whether worth it or not, command a premium over a Ford. So I wonder if the MSRP of over $60,000 for the First Edition is realistic.
Evidently it was --- the allotment for the US / Canada market was sold out in just a few weeks even though it was about a year wait for delivery --- amazing.
 

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The Q4 e-Tron will definitely be a compelling rival to the Mach-E. Two points:

  • The price of the Audi will likely balloon past $50,000 and approach $60,000 once desirable options are added
  • The Audi will ride on the new Volkswagen MEB platform that has been the subject of widespread reports of serious software issues and delays. What is most concerning is that the problems are rooted in the basic platform architecture itself. Not only will the first cars likely be severely delayed because of the technical development issues, but also you definitely do not want to buy the first model year of an apparently troublesome platform. So Q4 e-Tron with the bugs ironed out are still likely 2 or 3 years away at least, and who knows what other appealing new EVs will appear in the marketplace by then.
Assuming those reports are true, that's nuts that Volkswagen has been dealing with so many problems. You'd think they have the resources to avoid something like this.
 

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Audi unveils e-tron Q4 Sportback, opens gateway to mass EV production

Yesterday I drove the 2019 Audi eTron, the $74,000 version. Like premium German cars, the fit and finish was impeccable. Unlike the Model Y, the engine was response but not exhilarating. There was no "Wow" factor. The performance was very similar to my Mercedes E450, but a bit smoother and quieter.

The Q4 addresses the two major problems with the eTron: price and range.

Price is projected to b be $64,000: range 270 miles.

To those of us who find fault with the interior of the Model Y, the e-tron Q4 solves those problems. It is beautiful!

To those of us, myself included, who find fault with the Ford Option Plan, the leasing on the eTron Q4, might solve those problems as well.

Check out the link below to see pictures: very similar in overall look and design, at least to my eye, of the MachE, which works for me!

Here is the article: Audi unveils e-tron Q4 Sportback, opens gateway to mass EV production | The Driven

Audi is adding another e-tron string to its electric vehicle bow, announcing the Q4 Sportback e-tron to a worldwide press audience on Tuesday.

In the online “Vorsprung” event, Audi CEO Markus Duessman introduced the new Q4 e-tron Sportback concept, saying it will join the Q4 e-tron as the German car maker’s “be first premium electric volume SUV and gateway to into the progressive premium segment.”

“Our top priorities are supercharging our brands with super emotional products,” said Duessman.

“Our e-mobility strategy is robust and we want to inspire more people to buy electric cars so today we are taking an important step in the direction with the Q4 e-tron sportback concept.”

The Q4 e-tron Sportback is the SUV coupe version of the Q4 e-tron first unveiled by Audi at the Geneva Motor Show 2019, with first cars slated for delivery to European customers in the summer of 2021 at a price of around 40,000 euros($A64,981 converted).

“The Q4 e-tron is our entry into the premium segment – with the most popular body shape, the latest technology and functionality,” said Duesmann, adding the vehicle will become an essential cornerstone for the electrification strategy.

The Q4 e-tron and Sportback join the e-tron 55 and 50 quattro and Sportbacks (now available to order in Australia) along with the recently announced tri-motor e-tron S, part of a plan by Audi to introduce 20 all-electric vehicles by 2025, to account for roughly 40 per cent of all its sales.

see: Audi unveils e-tron Q4 Sportback, opens gateway to mass EV production | The Driven

This target will then be filled out with models created under the new “Artemis” project that Audi says will allow it to pump out new electric models using a “agile” R&D process.

This is what the Q4 e-tron Sportback looks like: Standing at 4.60m long and 1.60m high, the Audi Q4 Sportback e-tron carries a “sexy” silhouette described by Audi as a “subtle and dynamic curve”.

Inside, a spacious interior is enhanced by light, warm colours contrast with a dark floor made of recycled materials, while headlining, pillars and the upper section of the door are made of microfibers.

Q4 e-tron Sportback
Q4 E-TRON SPORTBACK. SOURCE: AUDI
A heads-up display with augmented reality takes the driver into the future of mobility, while a generous 12.3 inch touchscreen enables access to vehicle functions and infotainment features.

Two electric motors deliver a total of 225 kilowatts of system power via the Q4 e-tron’s quattro all-wheel drive, with 150 kW from the rear motor and 75 kW power output from the front motor.


Equalling the Q4 e-tron in terms of acceleration, the Q4 e-tron Sportback can sprint from a standing start to 100km/hr in just 6.3 seconds, limited by a top speed of 180 km/hr.

However, the range will be decisive for the success of the vehicles: an 82kWh battery takes up almost the entire area in the underbody area between the axles, and with this Audi gives its customers a choice between driving power or increased range.

While the dual motor version offers 450km according to the WLTP standard, versions with rear-wheel drive will, according to Audi, offer a range of over 500km.

But this begs the question: Although Audi has sold 41,000 of its original e-trons worldwide, it has copped criticism that is has overblown promises on range: when it tested with the US EPA it came in with just 328km driving range instead of the promised 400km, with the Sportback being rated with 351km driving range.

With a maximum charge rate of 125 kilowatts, the Q4 e-tron Sportback will take a little more than 30 minutes to reach 80 percent of the total battery capacity.

Q4 e-tron Sportback. Source: AudiQ4 E-TRON SPORTBACK. SOURCE: AUDI
As a family car, the Q4 e-tron is designed to fit right in with SUVs currently on the market, with plenty of space in the interior and in the luggage compartment, and plenty of headroom for normal people.


The Sportback however takes a more sporty and aggressive tone, with a confident front, a rapidly sloping roof line and a large spoiler on the tailgate which Audi says helps it achieve a drag coefficient is 0.26.

“An electric car does not have to scream: I am environmentally friendly, I drive electrically,” said Audi vehicle designer Philipp Römers.

Efficiency-wise, the Q4 e-tron comes (as with any electric vehicle) regenerative braking to “optimise range”, and also gets a heat pump that helps to thermally manage the battery.

The two new fully electric SUV models Q4 e-tron and its coupé-like Sportback version will be produced at Volkswagen’s Zwickau plant on the same production line as the fairly identical VW models upcoming ID.4, using the same modular electrification kit (MEB) from the VW Group.

Production will start in the first quarter of 2021, and the two mid-range electric cars can then be ordered from German dealers at the same time in the middle of the year.
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Audi unveils e-tron Q4 Sportback, opens gateway to mass EV production

Yesterday I drove the 2019 Audi eTron, the $74,000 version. Like premium German cars, the fit and finish was impeccable. Unlike the Model Y, the engine was response but not exhilarating. There was no "Wow" factor. The performance was very similar to my Mercedes E450, but a bit smoother and quieter.

The Q4 addresses the two major problems with the eTron: price and range.

Price is projected to b be $64,000: range 270 miles.

To those of us who find fault with the interior of the Model Y, the e-tron Q4 solves those problems. It is beautiful!

To those of us, myself included, who find fault with the Ford Option Plan, the leasing on the eTron Q4, might solve those problems as well.

Check out the link below to see pictures: very similar in overall look and design, at least to my eye, of the MachE, which works for me!

Here is the article: Audi unveils e-tron Q4 Sportback, opens gateway to mass EV production | The Driven

Audi is adding another e-tron string to its electric vehicle bow, announcing the Q4 Sportback e-tron to a worldwide press audience on Tuesday.

In the online “Vorsprung” event, Audi CEO Markus Duessman introduced the new Q4 e-tron Sportback concept, saying it will join the Q4 e-tron as the German car maker’s “be first premium electric volume SUV and gateway to into the progressive premium segment.”

“Our top priorities are supercharging our brands with super emotional products,” said Duessman.

“Our e-mobility strategy is robust and we want to inspire more people to buy electric cars so today we are taking an important step in the direction with the Q4 e-tron sportback concept.”

The Q4 e-tron Sportback is the SUV coupe version of the Q4 e-tron first unveiled by Audi at the Geneva Motor Show 2019, with first cars slated for delivery to European customers in the summer of 2021 at a price of around 40,000 euros($A64,981 converted).

“The Q4 e-tron is our entry into the premium segment – with the most popular body shape, the latest technology and functionality,” said Duesmann, adding the vehicle will become an essential cornerstone for the electrification strategy.

The Q4 e-tron and Sportback join the e-tron 55 and 50 quattro and Sportbacks (now available to order in Australia) along with the recently announced tri-motor e-tron S, part of a plan by Audi to introduce 20 all-electric vehicles by 2025, to account for roughly 40 per cent of all its sales.

see: Audi unveils e-tron Q4 Sportback, opens gateway to mass EV production | The Driven

This target will then be filled out with models created under the new “Artemis” project that Audi says will allow it to pump out new electric models using a “agile” R&D process.

This is what the Q4 e-tron Sportback looks like: Standing at 4.60m long and 1.60m high, the Audi Q4 Sportback e-tron carries a “sexy” silhouette described by Audi as a “subtle and dynamic curve”.

Inside, a spacious interior is enhanced by light, warm colours contrast with a dark floor made of recycled materials, while headlining, pillars and the upper section of the door are made of microfibers.

Q4 e-tron Sportback
Q4 E-TRON SPORTBACK. SOURCE: AUDI
A heads-up display with augmented reality takes the driver into the future of mobility, while a generous 12.3 inch touchscreen enables access to vehicle functions and infotainment features.

Two electric motors deliver a total of 225 kilowatts of system power via the Q4 e-tron’s quattro all-wheel drive, with 150 kW from the rear motor and 75 kW power output from the front motor.


Equalling the Q4 e-tron in terms of acceleration, the Q4 e-tron Sportback can sprint from a standing start to 100km/hr in just 6.3 seconds, limited by a top speed of 180 km/hr.

However, the range will be decisive for the success of the vehicles: an 82kWh battery takes up almost the entire area in the underbody area between the axles, and with this Audi gives its customers a choice between driving power or increased range.

While the dual motor version offers 450km according to the WLTP standard, versions with rear-wheel drive will, according to Audi, offer a range of over 500km.

But this begs the question: Although Audi has sold 41,000 of its original e-trons worldwide, it has copped criticism that is has overblown promises on range: when it tested with the US EPA it came in with just 328km driving range instead of the promised 400km, with the Sportback being rated with 351km driving range.

With a maximum charge rate of 125 kilowatts, the Q4 e-tron Sportback will take a little more than 30 minutes to reach 80 percent of the total battery capacity.

Q4 e-tron Sportback. Source: AudiQ4 E-TRON SPORTBACK. SOURCE: AUDI
As a family car, the Q4 e-tron is designed to fit right in with SUVs currently on the market, with plenty of space in the interior and in the luggage compartment, and plenty of headroom for normal people.


The Sportback however takes a more sporty and aggressive tone, with a confident front, a rapidly sloping roof line and a large spoiler on the tailgate which Audi says helps it achieve a drag coefficient is 0.26.

“An electric car does not have to scream: I am environmentally friendly, I drive electrically,” said Audi vehicle designer Philipp Römers.

Efficiency-wise, the Q4 e-tron comes (as with any electric vehicle) regenerative braking to “optimise range”, and also gets a heat pump that helps to thermally manage the battery.

The two new fully electric SUV models Q4 e-tron and its coupé-like Sportback version will be produced at Volkswagen’s Zwickau plant on the same production line as the fairly identical VW models upcoming ID.4, using the same modular electrification kit (MEB) from the VW Group.

Production will start in the first quarter of 2021, and the two mid-range electric cars can then be ordered from German dealers at the same time in the middle of the year.
Bridie Schmidt
The e-tron is a great looking SUV but at that price point 351 km/218 miles of range is not nearly enough.
 

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The e-tron is a great looking SUV but at that price point 351 km/218 miles of range is not nearly enough.
My post was not about the present Audi eTron which has the 210 mile range and costs $74,000.

The Q4 is the new model that will come out early next year: Price points will be $45,000 for the base and $65,000 for the Prestige.

The range will be 270/300 miles.

But unlike the Model Y, fit finish and quality control will Audi standards.
 

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My post was not about the present Audi eTron which has the 210 mile range and costs $74,000.

The Q4 is the new model that will come out early next year: Price points will be $45,000 for the base and $65,000 for the Prestige.

The range will be 270/300 miles.

But unlike the Model Y, fit finish and quality control will Audi standards.
Oh my mistake. I do hope Audi gets that range and doesn't under deliver again because their quality and design is top notch.
 

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Audi is dropping the price of the eTron by $8,800, too.

Do not forget this is the old Etron that is presently sitting on the dealer's lots because of high price and limited range.

The game changer will be the Audi Q4 eTron due out in 2021: Price base $44,000 to $66,000, (Prestige) less Federal Tax credit of $7,500, range 270/280 miles.

The Q4 will be direct competition to both the MachE and the Model Y: Based on preliminary pictures it will be a luxury SUV with Audi Fit, Finish and attention to details.
 
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