[TheSteelRider]

California bans per-minute billing; Tesla Superchargers will need displays - Electrek

On December 16, 2019, California’s Office of Administrative Law approved amendments to its Electric Vehicle Fueling Systems Specifications. These rules ban operators of electric vehicle charging stations from billing by the minute at new 240Vac stations in 2021 onwards, and new DCFC stations...

electrek.co

On December 16, 2019, California’s Office of Administrative Law approved amendments to its Electric Vehicle Fueling Systems Specifications. Effective January 1, 2020, these new rules ban operators of electric vehicle charging stations from billing by the minute

Seems like a win for consumers. Transparency in cost for charging is key. Can you imagine pulling up to a gas pump in your ICE car and being charged by the second / minute to fill up?

 

[St00k]

If you did get charged by the minute to fuel, it would certainly promote companies to invest in tools that would fuel quickly. EVs are different though because part of the ability to charge fast is built into the car. Still... it makes sense that a more expensive car would have better charging capabilities.

 

[timbop]

If you did get charged by the minute to fuel, it would certainly promote companies to invest in tools that would fuel quickly. EVs are different though because part of the ability to charge fast is built into the car. Still... it makes sense that a more expensive car would have better charging capabilities.

actually, if they get paid per minute then it would behoove them to charge more slowly...

 

[pew]

actually, if they get paid per minute then it would behoove them to charge more slowly...

Don't think you can control charge rate on DCFC... And tweaking charge rate on L2 is an option for Tesla but I don't think other brands have them. I know I do not, with the Bolt EV.

 

[dbsb3233]

So they're only giving vendors 2 weeks to change everything? Wow, that seems excessive, even for CA.

But timing aside, using kWw makes more sense. Makes it just like gasoline that way. Vendors still need to cover the costs of installing and maintaining stations, which isn't cheap. But that can be built into the rates.

 

[kennelh]

So they're only giving vendors 2 weeks to change everything? Wow, that seems excessive, even for CA.

But timing aside, using kWw makes more sense. Makes it just like gasoline that way. Vendors still need to cover the costs of installing and maintaining stations, which isn't cheap. But that can be built into the rates.

No, this will apply to future charging station. From the linked article

"This rule will only apply to new Level 2 chargers deployed 2021 onwards, and DCFC chargers deployed 2023 onwards. But as of 2031 for Level 2 and 2033 for DCFC, all EVSEs in the state must comply with the rule, no more grand-fathered exceptions."

 

[dbsb3233]

No, this will apply to future charging station. From the linked article

"This rule will only apply to new Level 2 chargers deployed 2021 onwards, and DCFC chargers deployed 2023 onwards. But as of 2031 for Level 2 and 2033 for DCFC, all EVSEs in the state must comply with the rule, no more grand-fathered exceptions."

Ah, I missed that. Thanks. That makes more sense. So really 2 years off yet for DCFC, and only new ones.

A lot will probably change between now and then anyway. Competition should increase and naturally force them in that direction, as a lot more "mainstream" BEVs hit the market.

 

[pew]

No, this will apply to future charging station. From the linked article

"This rule will only apply to new Level 2 chargers deployed 2021 onwards, and DCFC chargers deployed 2023 onwards. But as of 2031 for Level 2 and 2033 for DCFC, all EVSEs in the state must comply with the rule, no more grand-fathered exceptions."

I guess this means a mad rush to install and activate stations in 2020.

 

[Billyk24]

The Tesla supercharges "bill" at 0.28 cents per kW via Supercharger | Tesla EA is listed as per "minute" charge. a 60kWh EA fill-up will cost $34.12 at a 125kWh charging rate which is double the Tesla charging fee.