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As part of the news that Ford is partnering with Electrify America, here is what the wall-mounted wall charger is going to look like from Ford.

 

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i have to see what this costs and what type of automations are available. I may opt for a charge-point or a juice-box instead.
 

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i have to see what this costs and what type of automations are available. I may opt for a charge-point or a juice-box instead.
I'm thinking of getting Juice Box Next Generation 40 amp Plug In Model ($600) (9.6 kW) that plugs into a NEMA 14-50 receptacle. So I can put in a 50 amp circuit and with this receptacle can either use the Ford Mobile Charger or the Juice Box with one circuit.

I suspect the Ford Connected charger is hard wired and will require a 60 amp circuit. (For continuous operation you can only use 80% of circuit rating). So I could only charge at 40 with the Juice Box vs 48 amps with the Ford Connected which is not a problem for me.
 

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Just stumbled upon this thread: When you go to the MachE website, it is indicated that:

"the Ford Mobile Charger comes standard while the Ford Connected Charge Station is an option that fully charges your vehicle overnight*:

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  • Est. 21 miles of range per charging hour, using the Ford Mobile Charger in a 240V outlet*
  • A slow but convenient charge, using the Ford Mobile Charger in a standard (120V) electrical outlet*
see: https://www.ford.com/suvs/mach-e/2021/?gnav=header-all-vehicles

From the above, I would assume that "comes standard" means included in the purchase price.

I believe I read somewhere else, that the charging rate of the mobile device is 32 amps which would require a 40 amp circuit breaker (80%).

In my prior thread I mentioned the Juice Box, $549 from Costco, which charges at 40 amps and would need a 50 amp circuit breaker.

Using the mobile charger in a 240 volt will give me 240 miles over a 12 hour period, enough for my needs with no added or extra expense, other than my electrician setting up the 240 volt receptacle.

Am I correct?

Just went back and read the fine print:

I intend to lease and if I could put the purchase price of the home charging station into the lease and residualize it, assuming 50% residual after 3 years, that would be a bargain vs. the Juice box.

However, the fine print says:

**For Options contracts, Ford connected charging station cannot be residualized. The full purchase price must be paid within the term of the contract. Does not include installation.

So whether you buy the Juice box or the Ford Charging station, you are going to pay for it in full plus tax.

So the question then is: The mobile charger included at no extra expense charges at 32 amps. Is the extra 8 amps of the Juice box, plus extra cost of wiring going from a 40 to a 50 circuit breaker worth the extra cost?
 

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The Ford Mobile Charger with its 14-50 plug, on a dedicated 40/50amp circuit (so, an electric-oven outlet), will pull 32 amps, giving the Ford Mach-E Mustang RWD 22 miles of range per hour. That’s 264 miles of range over a 12 hour period, surely enough for 99%+ of drivers. BUT, if you really need more, Ford is also offering a hardwired, 48 amp wall box, which will get you 32 miles of range per hour.

see: Ford Mustang Mach-E home charging: First look, on par with Tesla - Electrek

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That's a lot to parse, but:
  • Yes, the free/included mobile charger will draw 32 amps on a 40 amp circuit, netting 23-ish miles per charging hour
  • The ford hardwired charger will draw 48 amps on a 60 amp circuit, netting 32 miles per charging hour
  • The costco juicebox will be somewhere in between drawing 40 amps on a 50 amp circuit, probably giving 27-ish miles per charging hour
  • In general if you have a garage where you can leave the free mobile charger plugged in and if the charge rate is good enough for you, just use that to start and see how it goes
  • If you need an outdoor charger (like me) or you want to keep the mobile charger in the car "just in case" (like me), you should get a dedicated charger. Whether that's plug-in or not is a matter of preference, although outdoors hardwired is probably better
 

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Thanks!

FYI, I believe the Juice Box is certified for outdoor use. As I posted it is presently on sale at Costco.

I have a large garage and plan to charge indoors and I like the ability to take the Ford mobile charger with me.

For long trips I plan to use my wife's (hope she will let me) Ford Edge Sport.
 

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I have a large garage and plan to charge indoors and I like the ability to take the Ford mobile charger with me.
My recommendation is to definitely go with the 50 amp circuit rather than the 40 amp. The extra cost will be very little (mostly in the heavier #6AWG wire....depends on length of run). The labor cost for a electrician should be the same for either. My 50 amp circuit breaker cost $20 and 50 amp receptacle was $10. The other parts needed are less than $20.
 

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Thanks!

I think you make a very valid point: the difference between 8/3 romex and 6/3 romex is only $.40 a foot at Home Depot.

Even if I have a 100 foot run, that is only $40 as the rest of the parts are more or less similar, maybe a few dollars more, and labor should be the same.

If I were ever to go the Ford Charging station, 48 amps, I would have to go to a 60 amp circuit breaker (80%). #6 AWG is sufficient for the Ford Charging station.
 

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My recommendation is to definitely go with the 50 amp circuit rather than the 40 amp. The extra cost will be very little (mostly in the heavier #6AWG wire....depends on length of run). The labor cost for a electrician should be the same for either. My 50 amp circuit breaker cost $20 and 50 amp receptacle was $10. The other parts needed are less than $20.
Unless your breaker box can’t handle an additional 50 amp circuit - ours couldn’t. Expanding the service or adding a second box increases the cost considerably.
 

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I like the WiFi connectivity of the Juicebox 40 Amp unit I installed. Just something else to consider!
 

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I like the WiFi connectivity of the Juicebox 40 Amp unit I installed. Just something else to consider!
On the subject of monitoring charging via WiFi, anyone know if the FordPass app that is compatible with the Mach-E -- will that show home charging live status as well or will it only show charging status at certain public stations?
 

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On the subject of monitoring charging via WiFi, anyone know if the FordPass app that is compatible with the Mach-E -- will that show home charging live status as well or will it only show charging status at certain public stations?
Unfortunately, we have yet to see details of either.
 

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I thought I'd update this feed.

Short story is, it'll cost $799 and be installed via Amazon.


When the Ford Mustang Mach-E arrives later this year, new owners will need to sort out their charging situation. Whether charging takes place at one of the 13,500 charging stations that are part of the FordPass Charging Network or the automaker's Connected Charge Station, the Blue Oval plans to have owners covered.

Now we have a price for Ford's charging station meant to juice the Mustang Mach-E quickly at home. The company said Monday the wall box will cost $799 before taxes. The automaker will make it easy to buy the charging station, too. Soon-to-be Mustang Mach-E owners can purchase the charging station via a dealership or online and have it delivered before their electric SUV arrives. Or, those who buy the highly anticipated SUV can roll the $799 into the price of the Mustang Mach-E.

Ford tapped Amazon Home Services to offer installation services. Through the online retail giant, owners can view estimates for installation and book a licensed electrician to install the wall box at home. Amazon will extend its services to also help future owners install a 240-volt outlet for the standard charging cable (Level 2 charging) that comes with the Mustang Mach-E.

Good guy Ford will further sweeten the deal for new owners of the electric SUV. The automaker said each new Mustang Mach-E owner will receive 250 kilowatt-hours worth of free charging at stations that are part of the FordPass network.

The lump energy figure will be enough for about five full charges for owners who opt for the standard-range battery, which provides 210-230 miles of range. It'll be about three full charges for those with the extended-range battery, which boasts 250-300 miles of range.

Ford doesn't actually own the charger network, but it will provide free access to 13,500 stations across the US, including Electrify America stations. After the freebies, owners will need to pay standard charging rates, but they won't need to worry about membership fees or anything of the like.
 

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Let me get this straight:

  • The Mustang MacHE come standard with a 32 AMP 240 volt charger convertible to 120 volt which is portable (plug in) and requires a 40 amp circuit free of charge
  • Or you can buy a 48 AMP 240 volt hard wired charger that will require a 60 AMP circuit for only $799!
Keep in mind that those who lease can put the $799 into the lease but it will not be residualized: i.e., you will pay the full amount, $799. On a 36 month lease that will increase the monthy lease payment with sales tax by $25 a month.

How many of us will need to go from 32 amps to 48 amps?
 

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Let me get this straight:

  • The Mustang MacHE come standard with a 32 AMP 240 volt charger convertible to 120 volt which is portable (plug in) and requires a 40 amp circuit free of charge
  • Or you can buy a 48 AMP 240 volt hard wired charger that will require a 60 AMP circuit for only $799!
Keep in mind that those who lease can put the $799 into the lease but it will not be residualized: i.e., you will pay the full amount, $799. On a 36 month lease that will increase the monthy lease payment with sales tax by $25 a month.

How many of us will need to go from 32 amps to 48 amps?
You make a great point. For most people, the standard charger is all that is technically needed.

However, my experience with EVs is that you really do want a wall-mounted charger at home in addition to the one in the vehicle. Otherwise, every single time you leave the house you have to wind the charger up neatly, place it in the car, and then unwind it when you get back home. That is too much hassle. The alternative would be leaving home without the charger, but you really do want to have an emergency charger with you in the car. You never know when you might have to suddenly drive a long distance unexpectedly.

An alternative solution would be to buy a less expensive home charger to mount to the wall.
 

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Just stumbled upon this thread: When you go to the MachE website, it is indicated that:

"the Ford Mobile Charger comes standard while the Ford Connected Charge Station is an option that fully charges your vehicle overnight*:

and

  • Est. 21 miles of range per charging hour, using the Ford Mobile Charger in a 240V outlet*
  • A slow but convenient charge, using the Ford Mobile Charger in a standard (120V) electrical outlet*
see: https://www.ford.com/suvs/mach-e/2021/?gnav=header-all-vehicles

From the above, I would assume that "comes standard" means included in the purchase price.

I believe I read somewhere else, that the charging rate of the mobile device is 32 amps which would require a 40 amp circuit breaker (80%).

In my prior thread I mentioned the Juice Box, $549 from Costco, which charges at 40 amps and would need a 50 amp circuit breaker.

Using the mobile charger in a 240 volt will give me 240 miles over a 12 hour period, enough for my needs with no added or extra expense, other than my electrician setting up the 240 volt receptacle.

Am I correct?

Just went back and read the fine print:

I intend to lease and if I could put the purchase price of the home charging station into the lease and residualize it, assuming 50% residual after 3 years, that would be a bargain vs. the Juice box.

However, the fine print says:

**For Options contracts, Ford connected charging station cannot be residualized. The full purchase price must be paid within the term of the contract. Does not include installation.

So whether you buy the Juice box or the Ford Charging station, you are going to pay for it in full plus tax.

So the question then is: The mobile charger included at no extra expense charges at 32 amps. Is the extra 8 amps of the Juice box, plus extra cost of wiring going from a 40 to a 50 circuit breaker worth the extra cost?
To give one answer to your question, in my experience, after about 10k EV driving miles, is that 32 amps (7 KW) is plenty.

You have to remember that you aren't normally at 1% when you come home, and most of the time, you don't have a big trip the next day. So if you plug into 32 amps for a few hours, you will have plenty of miles for the next few days, if you only have local driving.

And if you plug in from 6 pm to 7 am, 13 hours, you will have a completely full battery, even if it is a 88 KWHr battery, and if it were almost empty. (7 KWx13 hours= 91 KWHr).

It is likely that even if you have the 9 KW (40 amp) charger, you can throttle it down to 7 KW (32 amps), either on the charger itself, or in the car's charging options. So you could install it on a 40 amp breaker, as long as you were careful with using it. But I don't know that last part for sure, although I would be very surprised if you couldn't reduce its output. If you screw up, the breaker will pop, and you can correct your error. No big deal, if the breaker box is easily accessible.

As a minor detail, if you use a bigger charger, and the installation is some distance from the breaker box, you might also have to use one gauge bigger wire. Not a big expense in the long run, but copper wire is more expensive than you'd think, if you have to go, say, 150-200 feet..
 
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