[ReturnOfTheMack]

I was reading a bit about the Jaguar I-Pace and it got me wondering how its specs are compared to the Mach-E.

I didn't realize how similar they are in terms of dimensions. I also wasn't aware of how much of an advantage the Mach-E has for range.

Mustang Mach-E

Staring Price: $43,895
Range: 230-300 miles
Battery: 75.7 kWh or 98.8 kWh
Power: 255 hp & 306 ft-lbs of torque (Standard Range RWD), 255 hp & 429 ft-lbs of torque (Standard Range AWD), 282 HP & 306 ft-lbs (Extended RWD), 333 HP & 306 ft-lbs (Extended AWD)

Jaguar I-Pace

Starting Price: $69,500
Range: 234 miles
Battery: 90 kWh
Power: 394 hp & 512 -ft-lbs of torque

Dimensions (Inches):

 

[Baz Fell]

For like for like comparison you would need to select Mach E as AWD drive and larger battery pack to get range over the i-pace 234miles.
And for the AWD Mach E with 98kwh battery the range is reduced to 270miles range (not headline 300 which only is for RWD). Cost also rises to $59k. Which still compares well to $69k i-pace (although your power would be 280hp not 394 of i-pace. Uprating to GT 2021 would be more of course - and range shrinks further).
Overall when performance is like for like they are very similar priced and specced - with Mustang slightly cheaper (by 5-10%) .
The benefit Mustang Mach E has an entry level point much lower than i-pace.

 

[ReturnOfTheMack]

For like for like comparison you would need to select Mach E as AWD drive and larger battery pack to get range over the i-pace 234miles.
And for the AWD Mach E with 98kwh battery the range is reduced to 270miles range (not headline 300 which only is for RWD). Cost also rises to $59k. Which still compares well to $69k i-pace (although your power would be 280hp not 394 of i-pace. Uprating to GT 2021 would be more of course - and range shrinks further).
Overall when performance is like for like they are very similar priced and specced - with Mustang slightly cheaper (by 5-10%) .
The benefit Mustang Mach E has an entry level point much lower than i-pace.

Very true Baz, the more you look into it the more impressive the Mach-E is compared to the i-pace. I look forward to seeing a video of both of them being compared.

 

[silverelan]

There were some video reviews out of the initial LA Auto Show where more than one person commented on the interior quality of the Mustang Mach-E being compared favorably to the I-PACE.

Bjorn Nyland's quick take video, he too referenced the I-PACE saying that the Mach-E reminded him of the Jaguar.

If the interior craftsmanship is indeed more akin to something from Lincoln, then I think we are all in for a real treat sitting behind the wheel.

 

[symos]

Bjorn Nyland's quick take video, he too referenced the I-PACE saying that the Mach-E reminded him of the Jaguar.

The only thing he said was that the Mach E is a spacious car and has similar space to the I pace. He said nothing about how the interior quality compares to Jaguar's, or that it reminded him of the I pace in any other way.

 

[silverelan]

The only thing he said was that the Mach E is a spacious car and has similar space to the I pace. He said nothing about how the interior quality compares to Jaguar's, or that it reminded him of the I pace in any other way.

Right. Bjorn also wasn't in Los Angeles at the reveal.

 

[Chasing Coral]

I looked at the MME and rode in an iPace at the Washington Auto Show.

There is no question the Jag is a nice ride. It will have more SUV features and better for off road conditions than the MME: higher clearance with air adjustable suspension for a start. It's luxury interior. However, remember the more frequent and more expensive cost of Jag maintenance. I doubt iPace parts will be cheap. Much of it is the same as the other members of the _Pace series. However, lots of goodies require upgrades that take it to the $80K range.

Like all of us, I wish I could have ridden in the MME (or even sat in it). However, Ford is putting a lot of features in the MME that you can't beat for the price, even upgraded to the AWD model.

 

[desertdrifter]

However, remember the more frequent and more expensive cost of Jag maintenance. I doubt iPace parts will be cheap. Much of it is the same as the other members of the _Pace series. However, lots of goodies require upgrades that take it to the $80K range.

What maintenance are you referring to? The I Pace is probably the cheapest Jaguar to own, ever. One of the beautiful aspects of the Mach E, I Pace, and others is that there isn't much to maintain. A brake fluid flush every two years, a cabin air filter change here and there, an alignment every once in a while...there isn't much to do besides replace the tires you shred from stoplight racing!

I drove an I Pace and was far more impressed by the I Pace than the Audi e-Tron I also drove. The I Pace feels properly fast, offers fairly precise steering, and the interior was nicely finished. But the interior didn't especially blow me away -- I don't think the Mach E is going to be far behind, or even behind at all. And the I Pace felt claustrophobic for some reason, I think it's the roofline? I haven't been in a Mach E yet to compare.

 

[jksu]

i sat in an ipace at the la auto show. definitely a much nicer interior than a tesla - quality leather, surfaces, etc. but yes, agree it felt cramped. had sat in a crv and the crv felt cavernous compared to the ipace.

didn’t get to sit in a mach-e but could peek in and it looks roomier than the ipace for sure. fingers crossed the materials and build quality approach “lincoln” that all the ford execs/marketing people seem to keep saying

 

[Michael]

well, the iPace is much better than the Tesla S, more interessing than the ETRON. Both are using 30+ kWh on 100 km. both are well designed. the iPace was impressive by the handling. the Tesla was a boring car with a lot of power but that's it.

let's see, how the Mach E will get in.

 

[silverelan]

If Jaguar incorporated the improvements that Magna has come up with, the I-PACE would be incredibly compelling.
300mi EPA range, 430hp and the same 90kWh battery.

Prototype drive: Magna e4 EV is a 300-mile Jaguar I-Pace with reworked dynamics

A technology demonstrator from supplier Magna aims to show how it could boost the range of EVs and make them more fun to drive.

www.greencarreports.com

 

[ReturnOfTheMack]

Jaguar apparently has a new electric crossover coming out called the J-Pace, I wonder if it's going to be more of a competitor to the Mach-E.

 

[symos]

Jaguar apparently has a new electric crossover coming out called the J-Pace, I wonder if it's going to be more of a competitor to the Mach-E.

From what I read, the J-Pace will be a mid-size (or larger) SUV, so no. It will be quite bigger and (I expect) much more expensive.

Also, it hasn't been announced as an EV. I'm sure it will have an electrified version, but it hasn't been confirmed if it will be a full EV or just a hybrid.

 

[ReturnOfTheMack]

From what I read, the J-Pace will be a mid-size (or larger) SUV, so no. It will be quite bigger and (I expect) much more expensive.

Also, it hasn't been announced as an EV. I'm sure it will have an electrified version, but it hasn't been confirmed if it will be a full EV or just a hybrid.

It hasn't been officially announced by JLR but the J Pace seems to be part of their massive investment towards EVs. As for the size I didn't realize it's going to be bigger.

JLR has already confirmed that the replacement for the Jaguar XJ luxury saloon will be a battery-electric model. However, it’s understood that Castle Bromwich will also produce two more vehicles, both crossovers. Land Rover’s upcoming ‘Road Rover’ will be sold as a pure EV, while the new Jaguar J-Pace flagship will also be built at the plant as an EV.

All three new models are based on the MLA platform, which can be configured with three different types of drivetrain: battery-electric, plug-in hybrid and conventional internal combustion engine.

Jaguar Land Rover to invest £1bn in three new UK-built EVs | Autocar

New XJ, J-Pace SUV and ‘Road Rover’ will be fruits of investment into Castle Bromwich plant as specialist electric production centre

www.autocar.co.uk

 

[symos]

It hasn't been officially announced by JLR but the J Pace seems to be part of their massive investment towards EVs. As for the size I didn't realize it's going to be bigger.

It's going to be their flagship SUV, i.e. bigger than the F-pace. Which is already a bit bigger than the Mach E.

 

[ReturnOfTheMack]

It's going to be their flagship SUV, i.e. bigger than the F-pace. Which is already a bit bigger than the Mach E.

Ahh ok that makes sense.

 

[machstang]

It hasn't been a good year for I-Pace sales but it can rebound, just not sure by how much.

"I-PACE sales have decreased in Q1 by 33% year-over-year to 2,955, and by 46% in Q2 to 2,481. So a total of 5,436 units were delivered so far this year."

Jaguar Releases Sales Numbers For I-PACE In Q1 & Q2 2020

It's been quite some time since we last heard about the Jaguar I-PACE global sales results, as the company switched from monthly to quarterly reports.

insideevs.com

 

[MosbyRanger]

I would reommend waiting a while before buying any EV. There are loads of them in development (GM I believe will have 22 models before 2024) and some (the Lucid Air) have displayed remarkable advancement in EV drivetrain technolpgy that totally eclipses anything billionaire Elon Musk has spouted about his aging EVs. The Lucid Air is just the first to be a bone fide competitor to ICE vehicles in terms of driving range and the XPENG P7 is priced competitively. . Buying an EV now means you will look back and curse your decision to not wait for the coming improvements.

 

[polzovotel]

Can not agree more ...

 

[MachDrive]

I would recommend waiting...

Disclaimer: These are my views and opinions. Just food-for-thought, nothing more.

You could wait forever for new tech, its always evolving. My best advice is when you are ready to buy, make an informed and thought-out purchase at that time. This way, there will be no buyer’s remorse. For me there is nothing really compelling outside the MMe in the near future. Here’s why:

First, I don’t like Teslas. Never appealed to me, too many quality issues, etc.

In 2021/22, the small first wave of new EV offerings from US, Japanese and Korean manufacturers arrives. From what i have seen, nothing has moved me yet. I’m sure they are capable vehicles, just haven’t hit the heart strings. I would end up waiting another two years beyond that.

As for the new kids on the block, i’ll wait for all the new startups to have several years of full production before i would even consider them. I would watch performance, quality, and what/how company does. A single recall, if large enough, could be financially catastrophic. Heck, even if Tesla had a major recall that hit 250k vehicles, their support network would have no way to handle the load. it could cripple them.

The established European automakers don’t want to bring many of their BEV products to the US, not until they see demand picking up. So, nothing really new from them next year, maybe 2022 will be better. The exception is the VW ID4–sorry, no. If i was considering that, I would just buy a Kona EV.

Chinese companies could get delayed because of the trade war, and even then, could be received negatively here in the US. So I don’t expect them here until 2024, if at all. Ugly truth, it is what it is.

So, if I skip the MMe (and it could still happen, if the financing gets crazier), it will be 2024 before there may possibly be another BEV that interests me. If not, time continues to march on...