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What does everyone think: can we expect further range increase with existing battery hardware with the final specs coming up once stable production vehicles hit the road? Latest range additions to competing cars like the Model Y do set Ford under certain pressure. Moreover, will there be a third battery option in the future?
 

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What does everyone think: can we expect further range increase with existing battery hardware with the final specs coming up once stable production vehicles hit the road? Latest range additions to competing cars like the Model Y do set Ford under certain pressure. Moreover, will there be a third battery option in the future?
The range is now 325 for new ‘2021 edition’ Model Y LR, which has more efficient components installed compared to units built prior November. This is a 9 mile increase over the 2020 model.

I think the MMe range numbers will be closer to the Model Y than the MMe EPA target of 270 for the AWD/ER, based on numbers we are seeing from test drives in the EU. Plus, Ford has a huge 10% reserve on the battery. They could add range via OTA in the future, like Tesla did with their vehicles.

I don’t see them adding a third battery option to the MMe, the ER battery is quite large. They may replace the entire thing with cell tech that is more power dense in the future. Larger platforms like the Transit and F150 may have more options.
 

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which has more efficient components installed compared to units built prior November.
Actually, I haven't seen anything written about how they achieved this. It could be they decreased their buffer again, or they tweaked their algorithms for when the car is run on a dynamometer.

Regardless, as you said Ford's EPA numbers are "minimum targets" and not official from EPA yet. Darren Palmer has been vehement that reported range will exceed the targets. In fact, my best guess is that Tesla has a mole inside Ford feeding them numbers - the recent change of the Y's 0-60 time from 4.8 to 4.4 just before Ford's actual numbers came out at 4.8 is awfully suspicious, as is this sudden increase in range just before the official MME numbers come out. It could just be Musk hedging his bets, but it feels like he is reacting to known information. I really wouldn't be surprised if the RWD ER comes out with 316 miles EPA, and the AWD ER hitting 300.
 

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Actually, I haven't seen anything written about how they achieved this. It could be they decreased their buffer again, or they tweaked their algorithms for when the car is run on a dynamometer.

Regardless, as you said Ford's EPA numbers are "minimum targets" and not official from EPA yet. Darren Palmer has been vehement that reported range will exceed the targets. In fact, my best guess is that Tesla has a mole inside Ford feeding them numbers - the recent change of the Y's 0-60 time from 4.8 to 4.4 just before Ford's actual numbers came out at 4.8 is awfully suspicious, as is this sudden increase in range just before the official MME numbers come out. It could just be Musk hedging his bets, but it feels like he is reacting to known information. I really wouldn't be surprised if the RWD ER comes out with 316 miles EPA, and the AWD ER hitting 300.
i agree, the tweaks are ahead of news from other manufacturers. If the MMe AWD/ER tops 300, i’m happy.

i read the article wrong, the Model 3 got the newer hardware, the biggest presumably the heat-pump, which increased its range.

For the Model Y, the software update referenced “Your car’s range has increased with new software that improves the efficiency of the motors and the climate control systems.” And it is a 10 mile gain on the MY LR AWD.

It would be wonderful if Ford did, in fact, get close to the Model Y numbers while maintaining the 11% buffer. In a year or two we could see mileage gains via OTA as they shrink the buffer based on feedback.
 

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I'm expecting the E4X to come in over 300 and the EX at over 325. This is based on what we have seen from some vehicles driving around now. We're still awaiting the real EPA and WLTP numbers.
 

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A question, that maybe can interest the mach-e engineers.:)
I did reserve a RWD for the range capacity.
Do you think there is a possibility to unlock the propulsion or the traction on an AWD
to make it a two wheel drive and give it this way more range for long distances.
???
 

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Hello
A question, that maybe can interest the mach-e engineers.:)
I did reserve a RWD for the range capacity.
Do you think there is a possibility to unlock the propulsion or the traction on an AWD
to make it a two wheel drive and give it this way more range for long distances.
???
Even if the front drive unit could "free wheel" completely on an AWD Mach-E when the power isn't required, there's still quite a lot of extra weight from the second motor and inverter that is going to hurt range as well. I don't think the Mach-E has any such disconnect, it seems like that'd be something to advertise if it did.
 

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Do you think there is a possibility to unlock the propulsion or the traction on an AWD
to make it a two wheel drive and give it this way more range for long distances.
It would be really nice
 

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Even if the front drive unit could "free wheel" completely on an AWD Mach-E when the power isn't required, there's still quite a lot of extra weight from the second motor and inverter that is going to hurt range as well. I don't think the Mach-E has any such disconnect, it seems like that'd be something to advertise if it did.
Does somebody know if the rear and the front motor have the same power.
On the tesla model S dual the front motor is half the size of the rear one!
If you need less power only the front motor is used and so more efficiency and so increasing range.
That's the reason the model s dual has more range than the two wheel drive version with the same batterie !
 

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Does somebody know if the rear and the front motor have the same power.
On the tesla model S dual the front motor is half the size of the rear one!
If you need less power only the front motor is used and so more efficiency and so increasing range.
That's the reason the model s dual has more range than the two wheel drive version with the same batterie !
For all trims EXCEPT GT, front motor is smaller than the rear motor and less power.
For GT trim, front motor is same os similar to rear motor and roughly same power.
 

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Even if the front drive unit could "free wheel" completely on an AWD Mach-E when the power isn't required, there's still quite a lot of extra weight from the second motor and inverter that is going to hurt range as well. I don't think the Mach-E has any such disconnect, it seems like that'd be something to advertise if it did.
Yes, the engineers said as much.

they also said that the MMe is rear-drive biased, and that the front-motor doesn’t draw that much power except when accelerating, driving hard, or where the AWD system senses it is needed.
 

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Yes, the engineers said as much.

they also said that the MMe is rear-drive biased, and that the front-motor doesn’t draw that much power except when accelerating, driving hard, or where the AWD system senses it is needed.
So It could be interesting using only the front motor in urban traffic or cruise speed.
Where the smaller motor is near his max capacity, knowing that
an electric motor is the most efficient at its maximum capacité
 

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So It could be interesting using only the front motor in urban traffic or cruise speed.
Where the smaller motor is near his max capacity, knowing that
an electric motor is the most efficient at its maximum capacité
Its rear drive biased, but that doesn’t mean the front motor shuts down at any time, they are always on, and regen active.

I am sure the engineers at Ford have investigated motor use and efficiency over the last four years in order to deliver a good product.

Our time driving the MMe on the road will give them more data (if you participate) to tweak it further.
 
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