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Lincoln is going to be releasing an electric SUV in 2022 and it will apparently use a custom electrified chassis developed by Ford-backed startup Rivian.

According to Reuters, the Lincoln SUV could compete with Rivian's R1S SUV.

DETROIT (Reuters) - A battery-powered Lincoln SUV, due in mid-2022, will be the first Ford Motor Co (F.N) vehicle built on a custom electrified chassis that resembles a skateboard, which was developed by Ford-backed startup Rivian, according to several people familiar with the program.

The all-wheel-drive Lincoln SUV could compete against Rivian’s R1S, an electric sport utility vehicle slated to go into production in early 2021 that will be priced from $72,500. Both models will use Rivian’s so-called skateboard, a flexible platform that combines electric motors, batteries, controls and suspension.

On Tuesday, Ford declined to comment. Rivian did not respond to a request for comment.

The new Lincoln, which carries the internal program code U787, also could compete with premium offerings from others, including General Motors Co (GM.N), which plans to introduce at least two new electric SUVs by 2023, one for Cadillac and one that could revive the
Hummer name, sources have said.

Ford invested $500 million in Rivian this year and plans to help it begin production next year at a former Mitsubishi plant in Normal, Illinois.


When Ford made the investment, it said it would use Rivian’s skateboard to develop its own electric vehicle, but did not disclose details.

It is not clear where Ford intends to build the Lincoln SUV, which will be among the first of several battery-powered utility vehicles planned for Ford’s premium brand in North America and China, according to supplier sources familiar with those programs who asked not to be identified.

Ford expects to introduce a compact Lincoln electric crossover in late 2021 or early 2022 and a mid-size companion in 2023, the sources said.

The U.S. auto industry plans to invest billions of dollars over the next few years to build all-electric pickups and SUVs, sectors of the market that have been among the most profitable, especially for Detroit-based automakers.

But analysts have questioned whether demand from consumers and commercial customers will come close to matching production.

Founded in 2009, Rivian has raised $1.9 billion from investors, including e-commerce giant Amazon.com Inc (AMZN.O), which has ordered 100,000 electric delivery vehicles from Rivian. The first Amazon vans will be built in Normal and are to be delivered in 2021.

Ford aims to sell an electric F-series pickup in late 2021, sources have said. It also will offer the electric Mustang Mach E SUV next year as part of plans to invest $11.5 billion by 2022 electrifying its vehicles.
 

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Ford just made it official that Lincoln is partnering with Rivian on their new EV!

  • Lincoln and Rivian will work together to develop an all-new fully electric vehicle, based on Rivian’s skateboard platform
  • Building on Lincoln’s product momentum, the all-electric vehicle will progress Lincoln’s Quiet Flight DNA and feature advanced and intuitive technologies
  • Introduction of this zero-emissions electric vehicle advances Lincoln’s electrification plan that includes the Aviator and Corsair Grand Touring plug-in hybrid vehicles
DEARBORN, Mich., Jan. 29, 2020 – The Lincoln Motor Company announced today that it is working together with Rivian to develop an all-new electric vehicle previously announced as part of Ford Motor Company’s original investment in Rivian.

Lincoln’s first fully electric vehicle will join the Aviator and Corsair Grand Touring plug-in hybrid vehicles, further solidifying Lincoln’s commitment to electrification. The zero-emissions vehicle will feature connected and intuitive technologies designed to create an effortless experience for Lincoln clients.

“Working with Rivian marks a pivotal point for Lincoln as we move toward a future that includes fully electric vehicles,” said Joy Falotico, president, The Lincoln Motor Company. “This vehicle will take Quiet Flight to a new place – zero emissions, effortless performance and connected and intuitive technology. It’s going to be stunning.”

Lincoln has introduced four new SUVs including Corsair, Aviator and Navigator in the past three years. The all-new lineup has helped Lincoln’s global SUV sales grow 7 percent year-over-year and enabled the luxury automaker to deliver its best U.S. SUV sales in 16 years.

As Lincoln adds a new luxury electric vehicle to its lineup, production of the MKZ sedan will end this year in order for the Hermosillo Assembly Plant in Mexico to prepare for production of new Ford vehicles.

The Lincoln battery electric vehicle will be built off of Rivian’s flexible skateboard platform and is part of Ford Motor Company’s planned equity investment in Rivian. This all-new vehicle also is part of Ford’s previously announced investment of more than $11.5 billion into electrification, which includes the Mustang Mach-E and a fully electric version of the best-selling F-150 pickup.

“Our vehicle development partnership with Ford is an exciting opportunity to pair our technology with Lincoln’s vision for innovation and refinement. We are proud to collaborate on Lincoln’s first fully electric vehicle,” said Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe.
 

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This implies that Ford is acknowledging Rivian's EV tech is superior to their own. That has some downstream implications for Ford's EV direction since Rivian's platform is 2170 cell based while Ford's Mustang Mach-E uses pouch cells.
 

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This implies that Ford is acknowledging Rivian's EV tech is superior to their own. That has some downstream implications for Ford's EV direction since Rivian's platform is 2170 cell based while Ford's Mustang Mach-E uses pouch cells.
The downsides will be few for the average driver unless day to day ownership experience is bad enough to consider other options.
 

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This implies that Ford is acknowledging Rivian's EV tech is superior to their own. That has some downstream implications for Ford's EV direction since Rivian's platform is 2170 cell based while Ford's Mustang Mach-E uses pouch cells.
That's speculation. It could mean its simply more economical or faster to produce for their next models. Or maybe it helps out their investment. Who knows?
 

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The downsides will be few for the average driver unless day to day ownership experience is bad enough to consider other options.
Yeah, you might be right. Consumers just care about what the car can do and if the specs are there, nothing else matters. I just hate the idea of buying obsolete technology right out of the gate.
 

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That's speculation. It could mean its simply more economical or faster to produce for their next models. Or maybe it helps out their investment. Who knows?
Clearly, Ford sees a LOT of value to the EV technology and platform design. There's a pretty big divergence between Ford's pouch cell design and Rivian's 2170 cell. From a battery sourcing perspective where sheer volumes drive the pricing, it doesn't make too much sense for Ford to contract out for two different cell forms when one would be more cost effective.
 

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Having 2 or more suppliers not only increases throughput but adds redundancy in the event a supplier has serious issues of some kind
 

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Having 2 or more suppliers not only increases throughput but adds redundancy in the event a supplier has serious issues of some kind
Right, but these are completely different types of batteries. It's like comparing a watch battery with a AA. They're incompatible with each other since the vehicle is designed around the battery pack which is itself designed around the cell type.
 

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yes, but having ALL of your platforms tied to a single vendor can be risky. Honestly, I think they are trying different approaches to see what works best.
 

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Yes, that could very well be the case. It would make even more sense then if they brought the VW licensed MEB platform over from Europe. So far, Ford has indicated it's not coming to the USA.
 

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Yes, that could very well be the case. It would make even more sense then if they brought the VW licensed MEB platform over from Europe. So far, Ford has indicated it's not coming to the USA.
If Rivian goes under or underperforms it wouldn't look good, but we're talking a new model of lincoln so the blowback wouldn't be that bad. It would be devastating to their image if an icon like the mustang were to be stuck without a supplier, which is probably why they shied away from using the Rivian for it. I would guess the same will be true for the electric F-150
 

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This implies that Ford is acknowledging Rivian's EV tech is superior to their own. That has some downstream implications for Ford's EV direction since Rivian's platform is 2170 cell based while Ford's Mustang Mach-E uses pouch cells.
I wonder if Ford learned anything from Rivian while they were testing/developing the Mach-E.
 

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InsideEVs created this rendering for what they think the Lincoln Electric SUV could look like. I think it's missing a lot of chrome trim for it to be a proper Lincoln.

Lincoln Electric SUV Rendering
 

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yes, but having ALL of your platforms tied to a single vendor can be risky. Honestly, I think they are trying different approaches to see what works best.
That's why I'm glad Ford Motor Co will be using the Mach-E's platform under a Lincoln EV

In a report it was stated that "The head of Ford's North America business said the automaker will use the battery-electric vehicle platform underpinning its upcoming Mustang-inspired crossover for a future Lincoln product, but the two will "absolutely" be distinct from each other." So one will use Rivian's skateboard platform and the other, the Mach-E's.

About that Mach-E Lincoln SUV
  • "Lincoln's battery EVs will stay true to the brand's "quiet luxury" theme, whereas the 2020 Mustang-inspired EV is expected to have an aggressive look that Jim Farley, Ford's president of global markets, compared to a rocket ship."
  • "You can make beautiful vehicles in different ways," Galhotra said Wednesday following his discussion with Automotive News Group Publisher KC Crain. "The BEV technology gives us so much freedom to sculpt that vehicle exactly how we want it. We're going to create elegant Lincoln BEVs."
  • Galhotra declined to put a time frame on a Lincoln battery EV but said he expects it to feature a quiet interior and user-friendly controls."
Ford isn't saying when it will arrive but my bet is no later than 2 years from now especially knowing that "Ford is investing $11 billion in electrified vehicles through 2022".
 

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The new Lincoln SUV will be called the Mark E and will come out in 2022, according to Car and Driver.

Lincoln's next big thing will be a powerful and posh electric SUV. Though it will be sold by the 102-year-old brand, it's slated to be built by Rivian, an 11-year-old startup. The name is still to be determined, but clearly there's heritage to be appropriated with Mark E.

Like Rivian's top-of-the-line R1S SUV, the most expensive Mark E likely will have an electric motor dedicated to each wheel with combined output exceeding 700 horsepower. We speculate that Lincoln will offer a less powerful dual-motor setup with longer range, too. The lithium-ion battery pack should be available in multiple capacities as well.

Think of this project as a sneak preview of automaker tie-ups and vehicle development in the future. As electric powertrains become a commodity, the temptation to share mechanical components across brands and companies will be even greater than it is today. Ford recently invested $500 million in Rivian, buying access to the startup's skateboard architecture in the process. We know that the platform supports air springs and hydraulic roll control similar to the system in the McLaren 720S.

The Mark E's competitive set will include the Audi e-tron, Cadillac Lyriq, Jaguar I-Pace, Tesla Model X, and of course the Rivian R1S. It should arrive in 2022, starting around $70,000.


Here's a rendering that they made.

2022 Lincoln Mark E Rendering
 

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To quote Jacques Clusea "not anymore":
 

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To quote Jacques Clusea "not anymore":
Did this Lincoln get confirmed and shut down on the same day?! That's crazy! lol
 
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