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I want to first preface this by explaining my ownership experience with my Model 3, my first EV, and share some of my thoughts since having the car for a year and a half. I think everyone on the forums can share in my opinion on the car and overall outlook. I absolutely love my model 3, and it has been one of the best cars I've ever owned and driven. However, there are several variables about owning a model 3 that have started to change my opinion about Tesla and the future outlook. Tesla is not really known for the car quality they build, but moreover a technology company and I'm seeing that part of the company become less valuable the longer I own the car. Let me explain:

1) Autopilot is awesome, but I find myself only using it roughly 10% of the time I drive. The nag every 10-15 seconds, and the fact that on non highway roads you're limited to the speed limit or less - have me just driving the car - and it is a blast to drive. On long road trips, using autopilot causes me to feel tired and I find myself driving for majority of the trip. Overall, the value of autopilot to me isn't really that great. The model 3 is a long ways from autonomy, at least 5 years away in my opinion from FSD.

2) The interior is holding up well over the past year, but there are constantly squeaks and rattles that annoy me and something I'm not use to from legacy automakers. The car build quality is not to par to other manufactures, but that is OK. I knew that going into it. Tesla is more of a technology company than a car company.

3) Having drive two hours away to the nearest service center for warranty work has been a pain over the last year, but I knew that going into ownership. It is annoying when it is over minor squeaks and rattles, but having a service center close by would be nice. Tesla service is not that great either, and the service center is always bumping full. They don't even do state inspections.

4) The SC network is very nice, but it has become less and less important to me now that I have driven an EV for a year. With most destinations I go to not having a SC, I find myself having to find wall outlets and third party charging networks to make traveling in the model 3 viable. In addition to having a home charger and a work charger, the SC network just doesn't add any value to me anymore. I had supercharging fever with my first EV, but since I own one now the value of that has dropped dramatically.

So where does the Mustang Mach E come into all of this? Well since the release of the Mach E three months ago, Ford has really garnered my attention with their EV offering. I was always under the impression that Tesla is 7-10 year ahead of all legacy automakers in the EV space, but wow was I wrong. Ford's first attempt at an EV is not only amazing, but it is downright genius and is a serious contender to those looking at purchasing a model Y. I have never owned a Ford in my life - but the Mustang Mach E checks all the boxes (range, performance, tech, design, service, etc.) and it has me seriously considering Ford's Mustang Mach E in a few years when it is time for an upgrade.
The Mustang Mach E with 300 miles will cost $45,000 MSRP after the tax credit. A model y similarly equipped will cost $53,000. The technology and design of the Mach E is almost to par with a Model Y, so I have to give credit where credit is due. Props Ford for an outstanding first full EV!

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Mach-E's Future
The engineer says that the maximum fast-charging rate for the Mach-E will eventually be 350 kW, though he provides no timeline for this.

Additionally, the Mach-E will be able to receive over-the-air updates, which will include some self-driving features. No timeline was provided.

Over 1,000 engineers are working on the powertrain of the Mach-E alone. This could mean we'll see an even better Mach-E in production form.

The Electrify America Charging network also is starting to impress me. While it isn't as widespread as Tesla (750 locations, Electrify America has 400) the coverage is still really good and cross country travel should be a non issue in the Mach E. Electrify America is getting support from 5 huge automakers as well, such as ford, VW, Audi, etc. The electrify america network works similar to Tesla's own Autopilot network, with Fords navigation planning your route and even letting you know how many cars are at the stall. Majority of them are 350KW along the interstate.

The biggest downside is EA is having to charge a premium in order to fund the development and execution of their plan to deploy DCFC across america in a timely manner. The EA charging network cost similar to gas, but as supply and competition increases price will likely start to fall.
A lot of great things are happening in the EV world!
 

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Where did you hear that the Mach-E will support 350kW charging? My understanding is that it will not support faster charging because the battery system physically can't handle it. It is not something that can be patched in with software or solved with a new charger. I thought that the engineer you mentioned said (paraphrased) "why would we waste money with heavier gauge copper wires if the battery cells can't support it anyway". Maybe I am mistaken? Regardless, I wouldn't count on any expectation of higher rates than 150-200kW. That is the biggest area where Tesla has an advantage over Ford, in my opinion; their battery technology is simply more advanced.

Likewise, Tesla is likely much more efficient with electricity since they can get about the same range out of a 75kWh battery as ford is advertising for their 100kwh battery. That implies that you will be paying 25% more for electricity with Ford vs Tesla (unless Ford is just being super conservative on range estimates). It is kind of like the comparison of a traditional car getting 15 mpg instead of 20 mpg, but able to travel the same distance because the 15mpg car has a larger fuel tank.

That said, pretty much everything else I prefer Ford over Tesla (interior/exterior quality/appearance, "soul", infotainment software, two displays, tactile knob control, headroom, dealership service network, no Elon drama, etc). To me, that out weighs the powertrain advantages that Tesla has since I don't frequently go on long road trips anyway. Also, going for a nice long walk after sitting in the car for a couple hours is good for your health anyway.
 

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It was something I read about the Q&A I believe, or an internet article. Will have to dig it up.
 

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Here is the relevant transcript of that Engineer Q/A I think you are referring to:

What battery capacity is reserved on the Mach-E? Is it 80% usable? 90% usable? Or, is that still being determined?

Is the DCFC rate ever going to be increased or is the 150kW max based on wiring sizes?

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Oh man if there wasn't a question that I was less allowed to answer. Suffice to say that Tesla is famous for and even previously sued for advertising too much usable capacity. We are MUCH more conservative than that. We're still calibrating and figuring it our for a few more months.

And, to answer the second without answering the second, do you really think that anyone would put that much extra copper wire in a car to support 350kW and not use it? DCFC rates destroy batteries, and Tesla is pretty much the only vehicle OEM that has as much parallel cell structure to avoid catastrophic damage from DCFC rates like that.

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Sounds to me like he is saying it won't be possible and that only Tesla has the technology to safely support 350k charging rates; that it would cause catastrophic damage to the batteries used by all the other major automakers (which all use LG Chem as their battery provider). I am sure Ford and the other non-Tesla automakers will eventually be able to support higher charging rates in future model years as LG's technology advances... but then you would need to buy a new car.

I can understand how you could have come to a different conclusion. When I first read that quickly, I thought he implied that they did include 350k wiring and that it would be foolish to spend that kind of extra money if they didn't plan on taking advantage of it eventually... but the rest of the comments/context doesn't support that interpretation and he doesn't actually say they included wiring for 350kW.
 

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Thank you for the input. As for the EA aspect I have spoken myself to EA at length. We figured out the costs and based on the subscription rate which is going to be paid by ford for 2 years. To charge up 270 miles would cost in the $21-$27.00 for the charge up including any fees. based on the subscription rate. the way EZ works is that it checks the battery in the car and charges at the correct rate. For example it could start say at 350 but then part way change to 150 for example. Based on the 150 rate it would take roughly 45 minutes to charge.
 

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Likewise, Tesla is likely much more efficient with electricity since they can get about the same range out of a 75kWh battery as ford is advertising for their 100kwh battery. That implies that you will be paying 25% more for electricity with Ford vs Tesla (unless Ford is just being super conservative on range estimates).
Though I do agree that Tesla is probably more efficient, I don't think it's by that wide a margin, at least not because of their technology being that much more advanced.

The biggest advantage of Tesla is, in my opinion, the fact they can make absolutely appalling, butt ugly cars and people will buy them. I don't know if it's due to marketing, their target audience or anything else, but it's reality. This allows them to design their cars aiming for the lowest drag coefficient, without caring if they end up looking like a Chinese made frog.

Other manufacturers like Jaguar or Ford (especially under the Mustang moniker) won't do that and so they can't go anywhere near Tesla's Cd, which affects efficiency A LOT.

But of course this strategy gives them other advantages, which will help them compete in the long run. At least that's what I hope, cos I would hate having to end up buying a Tesla (especially the Y, yikes!).
 
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