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All kinds of cool stuff there from the big jump in kW per kg to the ability to easily swap out batteries to upgrade the car. Bodes well for replacing just battery vs. entire car for high mileage drivers like myself that will see 100k+ in four years. Car is great but battery might have dropped 29% of capacity range at 100k so swap in a battery.
 

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Does anyone know if the battery in the mach e will be easily replaceable?
 

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How likely would it be that the mach e could be retrofitted with a solid state battery? Do we have any reason to believe ford would try to adapt the technology if it were to become available?
 

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How likely would it be that the mach e could be retrofitted with a solid state battery? Do we have any reason to believe ford would try to adapt the technology if it were to become available?
If it proves to be a better system, sure why not. As to a retrofit possible but my guess is 20+K might be better to trade in and up.
 

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Does anyone know if the battery in the mach e will be easily replaceable?
Sure, it unbolts from the bottom if you have Ford's special hoist and you have a spare $32,000 in your bank account, labor not included. That assumes you are past the warranty. That is the price I see on Fordparts.com for the complete battery assembly. WOW
 

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How likely would it be that the mach e could be retrofitted with a solid state battery? Do we have any reason to believe ford would try to adapt the technology if it were to become available?
I don't think they'd bother until a next-gen Mach-E would come out. That's about 5 years away in terms of sales, but probably only 3 years away from them talking about it.

I'd love to know what goes on in the engineering planning for a vehicle like this. How far are they already into talking about the next-gen model?
 

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Sure, it unbolts from the bottom if you have Ford's special hoist and you have a spare $32,000 in your bank account, labor not included. That assumes you are past the warranty. That is the price I see on Fordparts.com for the complete battery assembly. WOW
only $32k... lol
That's crazy!!!
 

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How likely would it be that the mach e could be retrofitted with a solid state battery? Do we have any reason to believe ford would try to adapt the technology if it were to become available?
The whole battery management system would be different, cooling would be different, chargers would be different, wiring harnesses would be different. I guess the aluminum case that holds the battery packs could be reused but that is probably the cheapest part of the battery assembly. I think the chance of a retrofit is nil, but it could be part of a 4-5 yr model upgrade. Have these solid state batteries been tested in any production vehicles yet? I doubt it. It is probably still in the lab or pilot stages where companies are competing for bragging rights.

With proper care the current generation of batteries will likely last the life of the vehicles they are installed in. I read a report on a company that ran a taxi service in California that ran a Tesla Model X to 400,000 miles and kept detailed records on maintenance. They replaced the battery at 350,000 miles and somehow got Tesla to pay for it. There was a lot of maintenance that should not have been necessary, (doors, seats, excessive tire wear etc.) but it still ended up being cheaper than an ICE vehicle.
 

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@peugfan Toyota has plans for a solid state battery. Should be interesting to watch developments around it.
It's going to be an interesting race to see who gets first to market. My guess would be Hyundai since Toyota has been dragging their feet on electric cars.
 

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Ford and BMW have partnered with Solid Power with their tech. The tech exists, it just needs to be scaled for mass production.


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