[BuckMache]

So have had my 2022 GT since August last year and put on 5K miles mostly local driving and charging in my garage for about .14/kwh. Took a longer trip yesterday and didn't have to charge to get home but wanted to tap into my free KWH from Ford at Electrify. So it took about 40 minutes , on a fast charger, to add 104 miles. At a cost (that Ford paid) of $18.72 So quick math tells me that if I spent the same $18.72 for gas, at $3.05/gallon at the local gas station, getting at least 22mpg highway in my F150, , then I would have been able to travel 135 miles, or 30% further. I could have driven my 2020 Mustang GT California Special convertible with similar results. But my wife likes the MACHE - so we will keep it for local driving. Unless someone in DELMARVA offers me a great price Anyway - just sharing the irony of a world gone crazy,,,,,,,,,,

 

[zvez]

So have had my 2022 GT since August last year and put on 5K miles mostly local driving and charging in my garage for about .14/kwh. Took a longer trip yesterday and didn't have to charge to get home but wanted to tap into my free KWH from Ford at Electrify. So it took about 40 minutes , on a fast charger, to add 104 miles. At a cost (that Ford paid) of $18.72 So quick math tells me that if I spent the same $18.72 for gas, at $3.05/gallon at the local gas station, getting at least 22mpg highway in my F150, , then I would have been able to travel 135 miles, or 30% further. I could have driven my 2020 Mustang GT California Special convertible with similar results. But my wife likes the MACHE - so we will keep it for local driving. Unless someone in DELMARVA offers me a great price Anyway - just sharing the irony of a world gone crazy,,,,,,,,,,

If a person has to rely on public charging alone, EVs make no sense whatsoever economically. But depending are utility rates you can save a bunch using an EV. Here in GA, flat rate is 5.6 cents kwh, add in taxes fees etc works out to about 14 cents kwh. Since buying my car nearly two years ago, I've averaged 4.4 mi/kwh. Also, I think many utility companies offer special off peak charging rates that are very cheap. For my usage didin't make sense for me but I believe off peak rate in ga is around 2 cents kwh.

 

[xgman]

Yes, some stations gouge. Some don't. It is very hard to tell though at the outset. There should be price postings at stations just like gas stations. That would make sense, at least for the consumer.

 

[Willymy]

Not sure where you are but regular gas here in PHX is over $4.00 per gallon.

 

[RickMachE]

So have had my 2022 GT since August last year and put on 5K miles mostly local driving and charging in my garage for about .14/kwh. Took a longer trip yesterday and didn't have to charge to get home but wanted to tap into my free KWH from Ford at Electrify. So it took about 40 minutes , on a fast charger, to add 104 miles. At a cost (that Ford paid) of $18.72 So quick math tells me that if I spent the same $18.72 for gas, at $3.05/gallon at the local gas station, getting at least 22mpg highway in my F150, , then I would have been able to travel 135 miles, or 30% further. I could have driven my 2020 Mustang GT California Special convertible with similar results. But my wife likes the MACHE - so we will keep it for local driving. Unless someone in DELMARVA offers me a great price Anyway - just sharing the irony of a world gone crazy,,,,,,,,,,

A couple of comments.

40 minutes to add 104 miles means you were charging slow, either due to a high SOC or a slow charger. In 30 minutes you should be able to go from 20 to 80, 60% of the battery, way above your 104 number.

Second - you said $18.72. That's after tax, so let's assume you paid about $17.50 before tax, i.e. got about 36kW at 48 cents each. Had you joined EA's Pass+ program, you would have paid $4 and saved 12 cents per kW. 36 x 12 = $4.32, so it would have been paid for. So let's evaluate the new cost, roughly $14 instead of $18.72 (the $4 monthly gets spread over every charge for the month). That's 13.5 cents per mile vs. your F-150's 13.9 cents per mile, so cheaper.

Third, you leave your house with a full charge for 14 cents each, and you return home empty for the same. You stay in a hotel and get free charging. And, you charge in a dozen states where they charge by the minute, works out to 1/2 the cost of what you pay in Delaware.

We just drove 2,960 miles and not including free charging at relatives paid about 5.5 cents per mile...

So no, gas is not cheaper.

 

[JTK44]

Here on Long Island electricity at home, at the best rate (night time rate) is $.17 per KWH. Daytime rate is $.22 per hour.

I realize that electricity in the Northwest (hydro power) and Southeast, electricity is much, much cheaper.

Regular gas is $3.35. Just got back from Colorado where regular is $3.99.

Several years ago I posted that on Long Island, and general in the North East, that it would take over 10 years to recover in electricity vs. gas savings, the delta between the initial cost of a BEV vs. a comparable ICE.

Where I live, people buying BEV are doing it not to save money, but because of a commitment to clean up the environment and/or performance.

My wife presently has a 2018 Ford Edge. She never drives more than a hundred miles. When the times comes to replace it, it will be with a BEV.

Just my $.02.

 

[BuckMache]

Appreciate everyone's thoughts and comments. I'm not convinced that EV's save the environment any more than fossil fuels and not really looking to debate that point. The EV environment has a long way to grow and there will be challenges and improvements. No one size fits all - I'll be taking a 1300 mile trip at the end of the month to visit my daughter and for sure driving the F150 that gets me 600 miles to the tank and fills up in under 5 minutes. Meantime, will be having fun in the MachE GT heading to the beach a few time in between, Hope you all are enjoying yours.

 

[rikker]

Appreciate everyone's thoughts and comments. I'm not convinced that EV's save the environment any more than fossil fuels and not really looking to debate that point. The EV environment has a long way to grow and there will be challenges and improvements. No one size fits all - I'll be taking a 1300 mile trip at the end of the month to visit my daughter and for sure driving the F150 that gets me 600 miles to the tank and fills up in under 5 minutes. Meantime, will be having fun in the MachE GT heading to the beach a few time in between, Hope you all are enjoying yours.

I'm with you. I'm not convinced either. I drive my MachE GT for fun and My F-150 PowerBoost Hybrid on long trips -680 range to tow my miniEx.

 

[RickMachE]

I find it interesting that people buy EVs that disagree with the environmental impact.

 

[wrzi]

I bought my EV more for lower maintenance and hopefully a "drop" in gas price.
I do believe that burning all the fossil fuel on the roads is not healthy. So many times I sit behind a truck that stinks up my car, which I believe is due to fuel not burned properly.
Also living in a major city I see so many cars idling at the stop lights/signs etc. So much "sitting" and little driving. Moving the usage of fossil fuel to the Power Plants and being able to recover the "heat" from the generated power as well as other things to be "energy" efficient in my mind is the "best" solution for the south.
I admit those in the North do not benefit as much from electric because they do appreciate some of the heat from the combustion engine as well as the milage. For me and my city driving, give me an electric car to run all my errands.

 

[jdoylesan]

Not sure where you are but regular gas here in PHX is over $4.00 per gallon.

And now in San Diego, reg. gas is around $5/gallon

 

[jdoylesan]

I find it interesting that people buy EVs that disagree with the environmental impact.

Will be less surprising as time goes on, especially now that Elon is a hero of the right, And the climate deniers also figure out that EV's are superior driving machines to ICE. - they accelerate better, they brake better, they handle better, and they're safer.

 

[Summerlin Bob]

Interesting thread, my take, OTA updates; cutting edge technology; no more queuing up at Costco gas stations prior to 'long' trips ($.4.36 per gal); in-home 'fill-ups' at 5 cents per; my entire house runs on the same 5 cent rate for 10 hrs. per day; 385-mile trips for <$20; less routine maintenance; great styling and fun driving. These are the primary reasons that I purchased a MMe. I would venture to say that these choices don't all work for others, so I tend not to debate the "pros and cons" but rather simply state what works for me.
As to environmental concerns, while I would like to see things continue to improve, that never played a part in my decision to buy a BEV. I don't drive an ICE and based on many threads on this forum many subscribers still own and drive ICE vehicles especially on 'long' trips. So, as I have posted in the past most people choose their environmental concerns within the parameters of personal wants and needs, which is why some drive pickups some drive a Benz, but few drive a Kia Rio. some heat and cook with natural gas vs electricity (solar or utility generated). Personal choice, for as long as it lasts is why this year's Consumer Reports auto edition tested 260 different vehicle models. "If it works for you and you can afford it, 'go for it' while you can".

 

[kenmac197]

So have had my 2022 GT since August last year and put on 5K miles mostly local driving and charging in my garage for about .14/kwh. Took a longer trip yesterday and didn't have to charge to get home but wanted to tap into my free KWH from Ford at Electrify. So it took about 40 minutes , on a fast charger, to add 104 miles. At a cost (that Ford paid) of $18.72 So quick math tells me that if I spent the same $18.72 for gas, at $3.05/gallon at the local gas station, getting at least 22mpg highway in my F150, , then I would have been able to travel 135 miles, or 30% further. I could have driven my 2020 Mustang GT California Special convertible with similar results. But my wife likes the MACHE - so we will keep it for local driving. Unless someone in DELMARVA offers me a great price Anyway - just sharing the irony of a world gone crazy,,,,,,,,,,

In San Diego charging 90% of the time with solar I am thinking the offset for the few times I have had to purchase I am way ahead. Plus I am not burning non renewable fuel and creating exhaust in an effor to leave my grandkids a cleaner planet.
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[Roomba]

I went from a Subaru WRX to a Mach E GTP late August 2022, same as you. I test drove Model Y Performance, Polestar 2, and Mach E RWD. I read a lot of comments and reviews so I was pretty biased going into the drives Straight line acceleration was not a selling point for me. Stiff suspension IS a selling point.

I go mountain carving in California w/ my friends (on unbridled extended mode) about once a quarter and DD on whisper mode w/ my gf. She loves how soft/smooth it is in terms of suspension and accelerating and decelerating. I also bought the car because gas was nearing $5.50 and I was tired of paying over $90/tank every 1.5 weeks. Free charging at work helps.

Sold the Subaru for $6k less than what I bought it for + stacked multiple discounts and the Mach E came out to be ~$10k more than what I bought the Subaru for. Also, financing through Ford was a no brainer. Not bad!

I also bought the car because I want to be environmentally friendly. I do bike to work (when it's sunny). I want kids in the future as well so I want to feel like I tried to do something to help them have a better future. I just want to do my part

EDIT: I've done multiple road trips with this car to Norcal and Socal but not as long as 1,000 miles. Around ~400 miles at most. Driving does take longer and you have to prepare for it. Spending time preparing for the trip (plugshare) also takes a while. Even with that said, I'll gladly take this car over the Subaru though because of Blue Cruise.

 

[Tony Shifflett]

Will be less surprising as time goes on, especially now that Elon is a hero of the right, And the climate deniers also figure out that EV's are superior driving machines to ICE. - they accelerate better, they brake better, they handle better, and they're safer.

This posting is right on the mark.

 

[Beerfueledrunner]

Everyone’s situation is going to be different and for me, I went from spending an average of over $400/month on gas just for my daily commute to less than $200/month for the added electricity charging from my home. I’m making the same payment since the Mache-e price was the same as what I had been driving and in both cases, I’m driving something that I want to drive (high performance) instead of driving a tiny, 4-banger that gets 40mpg. I did not buy the car to save the world, I bought it save the wasted money spent on ridiculously high Cali gas prices in a state where the gas taxes meant for infrastructure improvements are mis-managed and nothing is improved. Right or wrong, I feel better about it and I’m driving a car that is a lot of fun even though the bugs still aren’t fully worked out.
Cheers Ya’ll

 

[nygman]

I do like to compare my efficiency while driving my GTPE. I compare it to taking my other car, a Ford Flex EcoBoost, or my previous car that I replaced, a Ford Mustang GT. Unless I'm on a highway, I'm getting between 12 and 15 in Flex. I can eek out 24 to 28 mpg on a long road trip, but to achieve that I'm doing 10% over the speed limit max and not accelerating at all. My Mustang I drove with a lead foot mostly in third and fourth gear rarely using fifth or 6th unless at cruise Gas mileage was 14 to 16 MPG, on the highway I could get 22 to 24, if I was very careful. I'm therefore I typically use the 15 MPG estimate for most trips, and 24 is reserved for road trips in excess of 250. However 95% of my driving is in the 15 MPG range, And that's what I use for almost all my calculations.

I like to run comparisons based on two scenarios, one the amount of kilowatt hours I put back in based on the Ford app, and the other based on my EVSE app. The difference being the overhead, I also factor it any preconditioning electricity used in the second calculation. For my longer trips (30-100 miles round trip) which is a good combination of city and highway in the New York City metro region (essentially commute into the city from the suburbs) using a 15mpg number as that's what I typically would get on that journey, I end up spending a quarter of the amount I would spend paying for gas versus using my alternative ICE car option, strictly by the kilowatt hour. When I factor in the overhead and preconditioning, still is close, And comes in between a quarter and a third as much. This is while enjoying my drive and not worrying about accelerating or breaking, I'm not hypermiling here.

My point is that for charging at home and for most of the trips I make, of any substantial distance, I save between 66 and 75% on the cost of fuel When compared to my Mustang or Flex. I really am not losing any fun compared to my Mustang, although I do miss shifting and the sound (you can't rev an electric cars engine) the math gets even better on very short trips. The efficiency of a gas car on a cold start and short trip of 1 to 3 mi, is abysmal, compared to one kilowatt or less used in electric car for the same trip, assuming no preconditioning. I've seen my trip meter reflect 6 mi to the gallon on a quick run to the store and back. I've been using my MME for the short trips, and I'm really noticing not having to fill up the ICE car as much. The short trips really kill average economy in an ICE car.

While I do think the efficiency on the long trip maybe less, What I save during the year in more than makes up for it. I also know that I got this car in December up in New York and it's been cold, I think a summer arrives I will be getting even better efficiency, and might say even more.

I honestly didn't buy this car to save the environment, I bought it because I needed more room than my Mustang offered, my wife couldn't drive my Mustang because she can't drive a manual, I couldn't drive it in the winter time because of the lack of traction, the government and Ford we're offering me a decent amount of money off my purchase, used car prices are high at the time so The cost to change cars with minimal. I also bought it because the performance numbers were staggering, and I'm still amazed by the power of the acceleration this car has. I did think I would save some money on fuel, I just didn't realize how much. I also didn't realize how much fun this thing would be to drive. I knew it would be good, but every time I get in I'm impressed. I know there are some naysayers out there, who criticized little things but On the whole my experience with this car has been amazing, I really love it, and I find that I can drive it a lot more than my old Mustang, which I used to park up during the winter.

So I agree with almost everything in this post, I think you need to look at the overall savings you achieve every time you drive the car. I am amazed every time I do the calculation on how much I save. I just wish I had got this thing earlier. It just keeps putting smiles on my face, and money back in my pocket. This car has the funniest smiles per mile rating of any car I've had, and I had some great cars.

 

[jdoylesan]

I do like to compare my efficiency while driving my GTPE. I compare it to taking my other car, a Ford Flex EcoBoost, or my previous car that I replaced, a Ford Mustang GT. Unless I'm on a highway, I'm getting between 12 and 15 in Flex. I can eek out 24 to 28 mpg on a long road trip, but to achieve that I'm doing 10% over the speed limit max and not accelerating at all. My Mustang I drove with a lead foot mostly in third and fourth gear rarely using fifth or 6th unless at cruise Gas mileage was 14 to 16 MPG, on the highway I could get 22 to 24, if I was very careful. I'm therefore I typically use the 15 MPG estimate for most trips, and 24 is reserved for road trips in excess of 250. However 95% of my driving is in the 15 MPG range, And that's what I use for almost all my calculations.

I like to run comparisons based on two scenarios, one the amount of kilowatt hours I put back in based on the Ford app, and the other based on my EVSE app. The difference being the overhead, I also factor it any preconditioning electricity used in the second calculation. For my longer trips (30-100 miles round trip) which is a good combination of city and highway in the New York City metro region (essentially commute into the city from the suburbs) using a 15mpg number as that's what I typically would get on that journey, I end up spending a quarter of the amount I would spend paying for gas versus using my alternative ICE car option, strictly by the kilowatt hour. When I factor in the overhead and preconditioning, still is close, And comes in between a quarter and a third as much. This is while enjoying my drive and not worrying about accelerating or breaking, I'm not hypermiling here.

My point is that for charging at home and for most of the trips I make, of any substantial distance, I save between 66 and 75% on the cost of fuel When compared to my Mustang or Flex. I really am not losing any fun compared to my Mustang, although I do miss shifting and the sound (you can't rev an electric cars engine) the math gets even better on very short trips. The efficiency of a gas car on a cold start and short trip of 1 to 3 mi, is abysmal, compared to one kilowatt or less used in electric car for the same trip, assuming no preconditioning. I've seen my trip meter reflect 6 mi to the gallon on a quick run to the store and back. I've been using my MME for the short trips, and I'm really noticing not having to fill up the ICE car as much. The short trips really kill average economy in an ICE car.

While I do think the efficiency on the long trip maybe less, What I save during the year in more than makes up for it. I also know that I got this car in December up in New York and it's been cold, I think a summer arrives I will be getting even better efficiency, and might say even more.

I honestly didn't buy this car to save the environment, I bought it because I needed more room than my Mustang offered, my wife couldn't drive my Mustang because she can't drive a manual, I couldn't drive it in the winter time because of the lack of traction, the government and Ford we're offering me a decent amount of money off my purchase, used car prices are high at the time so The cost to change cars with minimal. I also bought it because the performance numbers were staggering, and I'm still amazed by the power of the acceleration this car has. I did think I would save some money on fuel, I just didn't realize how much. I also didn't realize how much fun this thing would be to drive. I knew it would be good, but every time I get in I'm impressed. I know there are some naysayers out there, who criticized little things but On the whole my experience with this car has been amazing, I really love it, and I find that I can drive it a lot more than my old Mustang, which I used to park up during the winter.

So I agree with almost everything in this post, I think you need to look at the overall savings you achieve every time you drive the car. I am amazed every time I do the calculation on how much I save. I just wish I had got this thing earlier. It just keeps putting smiles on my face, and money back in my pocket. This car has the funniest smiles per mile rating of any car I've had, and I had some great cars.

What an awesome post, thank you! I agree....I've had my MME for 7 months and it still brings a smile to my face every single time I get in and drive it. It's a blast. And I don't miss the semi-regular, multi-hundred $ repair bills from my traded-in Audi A4. Or the weekly stops to pay homage to $6.00 premium gas (San Diego).

 

[MyLittlePony]

The majority of people here in San Diego with ICE vehicles drive 70+ mph on freeway so the mpg they brag about is much less. The EV-tou 5 plan with SDGE is what I have had for 2 yrs and the super off peak charging now between midnight and 6 am M-F is $.10 kwh and I charge to 80% for about $5 with the extended range. Gasoline regular price is $4.89 per gallon.